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Post by Steel Pan on Jan 27, 2009 8:49:27 GMT -5
.... Also since it has no motor can it be used on wild and scenic rivers? Thanks, scott I read somewhere, that claims can not be filed on "Wild and Scenic" rivers. I think it was on a BLM web site. I have since found several claims on these lands. So, I'm confused on this issue. I would think that the same rules of prospecting would apply to any placer claim. If I can find the info I will surely pass it along.  |
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Post by scottnugget23 on Jan 27, 2009 11:10:03 GMT -5
I thought that you could not file a new claim location on a wild and scenic river,but I see that people do. I know you can mine on open areas but only pick and shovel on w/s rivers.Only, panning,slucing,sniping,and I think metal detecting, no motorized equipment. I think only grandfathered claims that were valid claims before th w/s river designation was passed can mine with motorized equipment with special permits. But what I was asking is if somebody knows how to build a simple Simon dredge, and since it is not motorized or mechanical (only using gravity feed) can it be used on a w/s river legally. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to know where prospectors stand on the legality of the issue
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Post by renochris on Jan 27, 2009 21:59:06 GMT -5
You cannot file a legal mining claim on a wild and scenic river.
On the other hand, you can submit the paperwork for such a claim, and the BLM will happily take your cash, and record that you filed a claim. Your claim would be invalid and give you no rights to anything.
Heck you could even file a mining claim on the White House grounds in Washington DC. Of course the claim would be meaningless and mean nothing legally, but again the BLM would happily take your money.
That's why you see folks file claims on wild and scenic rivers - they just don't know.
Chris
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Post by Steel Pan on Jan 28, 2009 0:24:27 GMT -5
Thanks Chris, that's what I thought.
Now, the simple dredge.
They are not complicated, ya just have to use a little enginuity to put one together. Once you understnd the opperating priciple of a dredge, you just apply that to your simple dredge. By starting with a large diameter and reducing the diameter along the way, you increase pressure and vaccuume. The greater the drop, you will increase pressure and vaccuume too.
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Post by Adawg on Jan 28, 2009 6:52:58 GMT -5
www.goldfever.com/g_dredge.htm . Scottnugget23,I have no working knowledge,but have a friend who tried the gravity flow dredge.He struggled ....I believe the characteristics of the stream,you are trying to work,will dictate whether or not it would be feasible ..Just my 2 cents ..
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Post by fishinbud001 on May 10, 2012 14:46:18 GMT -5
Hello all,
I am in the process of making a 100'-200' Simple Simon, I am using flexible "waterfall" hose 2" and 1 1/2" hose. It runs $140 for 50' of hose and connects with black flexible connectors. I am anxiously waiting for the crreks here in Washington to try it out, most of the creeks have a drop of over 15 to 40' per 100' . My biggest concern is the hydraulic banging, of which I am designing a air expander in the last stage before it drops into the sluice. I will post pics of it in work later this August.
Scott
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Post by Steel Pan on Jul 24, 2012 10:13:40 GMT -5
Two ways to go on a simple dredge.
1. Vaccuum from the upper end to a sluice down stream.
Use smaller to larger diameter hose to increase suction and gpm.
2. Use a suction nozzle at the lower end, drawing water from upstream.
Use larger to smaller hose to increase pressure but you must balance gpm to psi in order to make the nozzle work effectively.
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Post by Steel Pan on Jul 24, 2012 10:16:57 GMT -5
BTW, it's legal in Calif.
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Post by Steel Pan on Jul 24, 2012 10:20:11 GMT -5
Hello all, I am in the process of making a 100'-200' Simple Simon, I am using flexible "waterfall" hose 2" and 1 1/2" hose. It runs $140 for 50' of hose and connects with black flexible connectors. I am anxiously waiting for the crreks here in Washington to try it out, most of the creeks have a drop of over 15 to 40' per 100' . My biggest concern is the hydraulic banging, of which I am designing a air expander in the last stage before it drops into the sluice. I will post pics of it in work later this August. Scott I don't use an expander and I don't have any "banging". |
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